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Ryan: You should say that you're a real estate professional too. We sell homes, so it's sort of, we help people get loans, we help people get into homes.
Mike: Well, you know, Ryan, the point there is that I'm thoroughly familiar with all the terms and you know with talking to banks and all that and I look back on it and I see all the mistakes that I make.
Ryan: It's still hard.
Mike: Yeah, it's still very, very hard. So it's become very easy to me and very routine but I realize for the first time you go through this, and for many people the only time they go through it, it can be kind of intimidating.
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